I’m going to admit up front that I’m writing this article from a prompt, which is not my usual style, but hey, change is good, so I’m giving it a try.
The prompt, from Lance over at Honey and Lance, goes like this:
“How do you define successful relationships, and what does it take to achieve that success?”
I have a lot of trouble with this question, mostly because I’m a bit pedantic, and the question raises more questions for me. Questions like, “What do you mean by successful? Successful by whose standards? In whose eyes?”
And what type of relationships are we talking about, anyway? Is the term to be defined in the sense of the planet Earth’s “relationship” to the planet Saturn, or the alcoholic’s “relationship” to alcohol — or the more conventional sense of the word, like Angelina Jolie’s relationship with Brad Pitt?
Maybe the whole framing of the question is what’s screwing things up here. Maybe this article should be titled, “What Makes Relationships Good“.
That’s an easier question, and one that can be answered much more quickly.
Simply put, good relationships are those in which both people are happy. Full stop.
If one or both parties aren’t happy, the relationship is not good, or only good part of the time. Now of course there is always (usually always) tension in relationships. This is natural and healthy. If the overall hedonic tone of a relationship, however, is more negative than positive, you have, by definition, a bad relationship.
Since that question was so easily dispatched, let’s return to the more thorny question posed by Lance, the question that gives me the willies.
A relationship, by definition, I think ought not to be successful. The moment you define a relationship as “successful” versus “unsuccessful”, you’ve fallen into a losing frame.
The concept of success vs. failure is only helpful, in my eyes, in the context of specific goals.
So if the goal of a relationship is to make a baby, then you could count the relationship as “successful” as soon as the little ball of mucus and pink popped out.
If the goal of a relationship would be to add 250 hectares to the Enwilmington Estate, or to ensure the ascension to the throne of Spain of the Moorish line, then the relationship would be successful (or unsuccessful) in proportion to whether or not those goals were accomplished — and how long they remained “accomplished”, if you get my meaning.
It is thus that, in my view at least, the concept of success, when applied to relationships, introduces the concepts of time and task limitation, and thus inherently limits the scope of the same.
To be fair, we no longer (often) give our daughters and sons in arranged marriages designed solely for political or economic purposes. Yet our culture still persists with conceptions of “successful” vs. “failed” marriages, and the gold standard there seems to be — if they stay together, relationship is successful — if they split up, it is “failed” (which serves to underscore how deeply entrenched our cultural habit of monogamy and pair bonding actually is).
If you’ve read this far, you have already figured out my answer to the question: when it comes to defining successful relationships, I don’t. A romantic relationship ought not to be a goal, and if it has to have a goal, I feel the existence of the goal will reduce the potential scope and depth that the relationship might otherwise develop.
A relationship between two human being always exists (even if they aren’t speaking) and has qualities and traits that inhere in it even it when they are living on opposite sides of the planet — indeed, a relationship could be said to exist between every single human being on the planet and every other single human being on the planet, and the degree to which we deny this is just one measure of our ego strength (but that’s a topic for another article).
Let’s leave the goal-oriented relationships by the wayside for now. I feel like we as people have enough goals and priorities, without adding an X-quality relationship to the list. Let’s let our relationships be what they are, and evolve as they may. Let’s think more about being happy and pleasing one another than being successful or right.
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And now for something completely different: your weeknight treat, an excellent article from Esquire about eye contact that trumps anything I’ve seen written in the seduction community. If you’ve come across a better article on EC, please point it out.
I made the question open ended specifically for the pedantists out there. Glad you participated! It’s been interesting, because everyone has had a different interpretation of the question and a different perspective, which is exactly what we were looking for. It seems the responses are highly informed by the individual writer’s life and relationships.
That EC article is awesome! Nice find. I’m going to try making and holding EC much more in my daily routine just to see what effect it has. I have to be honest…when I talk with anyone at length, I always stare at their mouth. I’ve been doing this my entire life. Have no idea what effect it has on the dynamic of the interaction, and never thought about it. I’ll have to test and write a post.
Cheers,
L
So day 1 of new EC. I didn’t think it was difficult to look directly into anyone’s eyes during any type of interaction, although it felt “weird,” like it was almost confrontational. I consciously smiled and projected relaxed BL in order to defuse this. Pretty much 100% of the people I EC’ed looked away first, except my boss! Go figure. The chicks always looked away first, after only a second or two. Will keep with it…
Yeah, it’s a trip. I’ve been doing it for a few days now, and it’s amazing the response I’ve been getting. Women who I talk to while using it come back to me and open another conversation like 5 to 15 minutes later. I’ve found women look away frequently, but they always come back to my eyes, and hold steady there for a while. I also noticed they stop speaking so comprehensively when they’re gazing back at me…it’s clear they’re devoting less attention to sequencing their thoughts. I like it.
While we are on the subject of the eye contact,I’ve found out when I triangular gaze a girl (I didn’t do this before) I’ve cold approached then tease her they shoot strong ass IOI’s (wasn’t getting them before, I think the explanation goes back to your how to turn a women on post, The triangular gaze is Subtley letting her know I wanna kiss her and teasing her is not acting on it/restraint,I’m only guessing could you make sense of this thirtyplus.
while we are on the subject of the eye contact thing I’d like to link eye contact with another post of yours thirtyplus…..maybe this isnt brand new to you guys but I’ve found out when I triangular gaze a girl I’ve cold approached then tease her they shoot strong ass IOI’s …I think this goes back to your how to turn a women on post,