Dr. Phil on the Seduction Community

A video clip just surfaced of Dr. Phil’s expose show on the seduction community, including guests Nick (Savoy?) and Scott from The Mystery Method, a couple average bleach-blond barfly girls who critique techniques, and Ross Jefferies himself (Mr. “Father of the Seduction Community”.)

You can view the video here.

I’m going to start out by saying that Dr. Phil, like Dr. Laura and any other Dr. First-Name-Only, doesn’t exactly qualify in my book as someone who seems overly interested in helping people improve their lives. Yeah, he’s got a show and writes books, but most of his advice is incredibly simplistic, bordering on sensationalist — and his shows are typically set up for the maximum emotional payout for the audience, rather than actual help for the people, or even an in-depth discussions of the issues presented. But hey, that’s how TV works (and that’s why I don’t watch TV).

The Show Itself
While watching this show, I couldn’t help but be think that, despite Dr. Phil’s own questionable motives, the set up of the show really put on display the community’s true colors. By the mid-way point in the show, RJ and the MM guys are just bickering about who’s creepier, and Dr. Phil is just sitting back and giggling while the barfly girls look on in feigned disdain.

Overall, the show seems to present the community in what I think is a pretty fair light — although before you watch, be warned, as the latter 1/3rd of the show is a completely unrelated scam-artist story that the shows’ producers decided to link to the seduction community for shock and scare factor. Apparently fear still motivates better than sex when it comes to prime-time TV.

As guests, the Mystery Method men seem to hold their own fairly well — at least to start. They have help, of course, from Dr. Phil’s traditional views on women (which we’ll get to in a moment). By the end of the show, however, it’s clear he’s built them up only to tear them down again.

Ross Jefferies gives an interesting interview. He starts out very calm and collected, and is even able to shrug off some of his purple marketing copy initially while trying to gloss over the fact that the core of his product is, and always has been, neuro-linguistic programming — but Dr. Phil focuses like a laser beam, and Jefferies gets flustered and starts trying to deflect attention onto how manipulative and creepy the Mystery Method system is. Ross, look in a mirror — not only is NLP totally invalid from a scientific point of view, it’s patronizing and manipulative and, as the MM guys pointed out, creepy.

The high point in the show comes just a few minutes in, when Dr. Phil answers a female audience member’s complaint that these guys are being inauthentic because they were taught these techniques:

But didn’t somebody teach y’all how to put your make up on, choose clothes, conduct yourselves as a lady?

Indeed. Glamor, Cosmo, Vogue, not to mention TV, movies, the internet, and hundreds of hours with female peers between the ages of 4 and, well, death.

Also:

Somebody invented the push-up bra for a reason.

It’s a rare day when I can say I agree with Dr. Phil, but on these statements, I couldn’t agree more. The seduction community may be a creepy, flashy-jewelry-wearing, hair-gel-piling dysfunctional family of former shy guys, but it’s the best thing guys have been able to put together so far to compete with the advanced social engineering women receive pretty much from birth.

BONUS: For those who are still reeling at my taste in women based on The Hot Babe Scale ratings, take a look at the audience member at 32:12. Where does she rate?

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8 Comments »

Comment by Jason Whitmen
2008-04-12 22:59:46

A friend of mine just emailed me one of your articles from a while back. I read that one a few more. Really enjoy your blog. Thanks.

Jason Whitmen

 
2008-04-12 23:01:50

[…] Re: Seduction Community On Dr. Phil This was actually a pretty good video. Dr. Phil, despite generally being a D-bag, carried himself well. I am hoping that as the community gets more light shed on it by the mainstream, it will become a lot less neurotic. Why have I never seen a seduction community teacher or trainer I’d actually want to learn from — except maybe Mystery himself and possibly Owen Cook? I wrote more about it on my site: Dr. Phil on the Seduction Community | The Reality Method […]

 
Comment by Lance
2008-04-12 23:22:20

Hey 30,

I wasn’t sure if I read your last para right, but I’m fairly certain Nick and Scott go by Savoy and The Don, at least that’s what I read.

Fuji and Kamo are the two dudes sitting in the front row that took the MM workshop, so different dudes. They both coach for Mehow Inc.

Good review, I’m thinking about doing the same.

 
Comment by djfuji
2008-04-13 00:38:14

Duuude. I love your blog. It’s on my RSS reader and there’s a ton of good stuff here. But you gotta get your facts straight. This post was so insanely inaccurate it made me bust up laughing.

First off, despite both of our equally effeminate voices (his is worse than mine imo :) ), I am not Nick. Or Scott, for that matter. Nick is “Savoy”, the current President & CEO of Love Systems Inc., formerly The Mystery Method Corporation. Scott is “The Don,” an instructor with the same company.

I am, and always have been, DJ Fuji. I’m the only asian guy on the whole show. I’m currently the chief instructor for Mehow Inc, which is not affiliated with either The Mystery Method or Love Systems, Inc. I thought it was pretty obvious that “DJ Fuji” was the asian guy, but apparently not. Kamouflage is my wing and fellow instructor, who was also on the show.

 
Comment by thirtyplus
2008-04-13 05:54:43

Sorry fellas. Obviously I didn’t do a great job of keeping everyone straight. I’ve redacted the erroneous paragraph completely.

Thanks for the correction.

 
Comment by Dan
2008-04-14 23:22:39

FYI, just clicked on the link to the Hot Babe Scale and all the images are broken

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Thanks Dan. Fixed.
-30+

 
Comment by Silver
2008-04-15 14:10:29

I couldn’t force myself to watch much of Dr Phil. He reminds me why I quit watching TV.

While it violates the “Never Talk About The Fight Club” rule, most of the PUA on TV stuff is actually great cover for effective PUAs.

I think the First Truth is; if you appear to be a PUA, you’re not. The more obvious and lamely manipulative the PUA examples brought onto TV dog & pony shows are, the better it is for guys with good game.

Game is just good social skills plus the knowledge of how to manage the mating ritual so you end up actually mating while maintaining your freedom.

JFTR: The woman who got scammed did not encounter a pickup artist, but a con man. If I have my terminology correct, sex based swindling of women is called Macking. And, as we all know, sex based swindling of men is called Courtship, Marriage, and Divorce.

Silver

PS: Love this blog.

 
Comment by Evaine
2008-04-25 14:24:38

Good post. You make some great points that most people do not fully understand.

“Overall, the show seems to present the community in what I think is a pretty fair light — although before you watch, be warned, as the latter 1/3rd of the show is a completely unrelated scam-artist story that the shows’ producers decided to link to the seduction community for shock and scare factor. Apparently fear still motivates better than sex when it comes to prime-time TV.”

I like how you explained that. Very helpful. Thanks.

 
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