Sex, Validation and Self-Concept
Both men and women get a lot of validation from being found attractive to the opposite sex.
If you think about it, there’s no mystery to this. In evolutionary terms, if we are attractive to the opposite sex, we’ll be able to reproduce with more success, so the signals that we get that tell us that we are sexually attractive — flirtation, stares, catcalls, good service — help us remain confident that we have a genetic future.
Additionally, being in a long-term relationship provides a constant source of that validation. In fact, being in a secure relationship provides so much validation to most people that they get lazy.
On the flip side, it can be scary to go through a period of not having validation. For many guys, their whole life has been validation-poor; for others, it’s the movement from a period of high validation (”on my game”) to low validation (”dry spell”) that is rough.
These periods of low validation — because we just got out of a relationship, are experiencing a lull in the action, or have yet to even get into the action — can be very difficult, because they usually bring up questions of self-worth, and/or at the very least make us re-evaluate our relative value as a mate.
Going through those periods of low validation without freaking out requires either a strong core sense of self and fundamental confidence, or a total resignation to the idea that you’re not worthy of that recognition.
This is why you’ll see some guys who haven’t gotten laid in years, and seem to have no problem with it, and other guys who you may consider to be highly successful with women, who seem to really freak out when their options dry up. Both reactions are normal.
That’s the whole game; being “outcome independent” really just means having a secure enough identity that the level of validation you are getting (or not getting) doesn’t fluster you too much.
Of course the validation is not totally unnecessary; to the contrary, it’s part of being human. We are social creatures, and need that contact, mutual positive regard, and feeling of belonging to remain healthy and high-functioning.
But where this gets complicated is when other people are looking for validation from sex from a place of insecurity and neediness, rather than from the place of the basic human needs mentioned above. Many people you will encounter are looking for sexual validation as a means to fill an existential void, rather than as a celebration of their existence. It can be very hard for these two types of people to maintain relationships.
To get any woman, you have to ’speak her language’. You have to treat her in the same way that she fundamentally treats herself. In other words, as part of the seduction process, you have to demonstrate to the woman that your treatment of her matches up to and reinforces her own self-concept.
It’s crucial to realize that her self-concept could be absolutely terrible, and you could be required to do terrible things to get into her pants.
But whether good or ill, if you try to treat her the way you see her, it won’t work; or even if you treat her the way you THINK she OUGHT to treat herself. No go. Of course there’s individual variance in this; but in general, your results will be best if your treatment of her closely lines up with her treatment of herself.
The easiest example of this is the battered wife. The reason she mysteriously “attracts” deadbeat guys who will literally assault her is that she is, in her own mind, convinced she deserves it, even if only on an unconscious level.
This is why the first stage of the pickup is invariably evaluation, whether we are conscious of it or not. Attraction is important, but in order to really generate attraction quickly and in the most efficient way possible, you’ll need to quickly and accurately evaluate a woman’s self-concept — where “self-concept” is just a more sophisticated and comprehensive way of articulating where the woman thinks she resides on the “Hot Babe Scale“.
So how does this advance our understanding of social dynamics? Well, take naturals, for example. A lot of what are called “naturals” are just guys that have a highly developed emotional intelligence; that is, the ability to cold-read women and what their self-concept is before they even open their mouths; and then the follow-up social skills of deploying the type of language and attitude that will hook that particular woman because it mimics and reflects her self-concept back to her so accurately.
This is something that takes years of experience and is not easily trainable; and that fact explains the existence of a lot of the gaps that exist, both in kind and degree, between the “naturals” in the field and the deliberate students of social dynamics.
What does all this mean for you? First and most importantly, that you have to make decisions as a pickup artist. Are you going to go after the pussy at all costs? What are your own choices about how you will treat others? Will you treat them how you think they deserve to be treated, or how they want to be treated? Will you take the time to learn the difference?
Let’s look at two mantras in the community.
Mantra 1: “Leave them better than you found them”
Mantra 2: “All pussy comes in different wrappers; don’t get caught up in the wrapper”
These are two somewhat divergent schools of thought. It is true that, if all you want is a wet hole, if you use the strategies and tactics of social dynamics taught here and elsewhere in the community, you can get a LOT of wet hole.
Example of a Mantra 2 player: I knew a guy once who fucked a stripper in the ass, raw, because she told him she had an STD — and he didn’t have a condom. Now that is a guy who is committed to getting his end wet, at any cost. A stupid player, no doubt, but a player who bagged a lot of tail.
Operating under Mantra 1, there’s guys who invest a little more into women, and try to have some positive impact. Now that might bounce them out of interactions with hot chicks sometimes, because the chick was self-destructive, and the guy had certain moral guidelines under which he refused to treat the girl in the way that would spark attraction in her (i.e., badly). But this is still an acceptable outcome for the Mantra 1 player, because it seems that guys who have some basic minimum standards about how they treat people usually also have the core confidence to ride out the “dry spells” of a temporary reduction in sexual validation.
And that, dear reader, is where I am ultimately coming from with this site. Sex is great, I love sex, and in fact I get a little sad if I’m not having as much as I would like.
But I won’t have it with just anyone. I want it to be a positive experience for both parties and leave us both better than we started. I get worried when I sense people are using my attention to validate themselves from a place of neediness; even if the interaction is not serious or high-level, I still strive to sidestep the temptation to give them validation, and instead give them something even more valuable.
So, how is this helping me get laid, 30?
Hopefully, thinking about these concepts, and reflecting on your own self-perception, is helping you get not just laid, but also closer to higher-quality interactions.
If you just want to get laid, go to the bar, find a drunk chick, and fools mate her. There’s thousands of unskilled, unattractive people hooking up out there every weekend; it’s not difficult to get laid.
What’s difficult is to do it right.
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November 5th, 2007 at 6:12 pm
Sure. But (please call me on this if you disagree) a lot of guys who, looking back, aren’t proud of it (I’m not!), went through a lot of women as wet-holes-with-wrappers, and really didn’t care if the interaction ended up being positive.
Yeah: if we’d known then what we know now . . .
As long as I’m writing, I don’t think you’ve commented on what I think is one of the central issues of PUA ethics: do you lie? (I’m not talking about playful teasing, or feigning possible disinterest — that’s not telling the whole truth, not lying.) I know that you focus more on inner game than outer game anyway, but do you also think that lying routines (Two Girls Fighting, whatever) are self-defeating? (Just to put myself out there: I do.)
November 5th, 2007 at 9:47 pm
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November 6th, 2007 at 4:47 am
So Denim,
No, I think you’re right. I suspect many men view women as a means to an end without respect to the implications that treatment has for the woman, or themselves. Which, I believe, is a tragedy.
As for lying in pickup. If you are talking about lying in general to advance your game, i.e., “No I’m not sleeping with any other girls” or “I like you for your personality”, we’ve already discovered that it’s unnecessary and ineffective.
As for material, I’m with you. I think the strength of “material” comes from its integration with your actual life. If you are a socially aware, intelligent guy, you should be able to come up with your own inexhaustible supply of punchy “material”. On the other hand, I wouldn’t judge a guy harshly for using Two Girls Fighting or another “lying” routine. He probably doesn’t share my values. But personally, have never seen any material that is so strong that it justifies being inauthentic.
If that means I am somehow a less effective speed seducer…so be it.
November 9th, 2007 at 11:12 am
The more pussy you get the more you want.
If you go dry for a long time you actually want pussy less.
There’s an interesting thing one of the PUA ‘experts’ once wrote about validation. He said he would tell girls that he had just broken up with his GF and was feeling low and seeking validation. Then they would have sex with him, out of some sort of empathy. I think it was empathy. I have never been quite sure. Maybe you can elaborate.
November 10th, 2007 at 8:24 pm
The “rebound” concept is nearly universal. Another way of saying “rebound” is just to say that after going through a major rejection (i.e. breakup) we all want to feel validated at a high level again, and therefore frequently go out looking for sex to re-validate ourselves.
Women do it all the time. They get it. That PUA was just speaking their language. I have no doubt the same thing would work for other guys.
November 20th, 2007 at 4:18 am
i could go on all day right now with my story on this but it will take me too long so i’ll keep it sweet. It stems from a super-model standard girl I fell in love with and fucked everyday and then broke my heart. Basically I am realising, as seriously painful it has been this last year I know I made the right decision to fuck women off completly for a while until I started to enjoy life without them (the sex part of them I still have female friends)…One year later I’m pretty much loving my life and I’ve not had sex for 6 months (I had one slip up although I wouldn’t really call it a slip up) and I’m pretty much sure now that the next time I start seeing a girl, I will be less bothered about the whole ‘broken heart’ ordeal, on the plus side I don’t feel I even need women anymore for validation so I have no immediate plans to fall in love with anyone right now, just to fuck them all!!! lol…… Give me your e-mail ‘ThirtyPlus’ and you will get a seriously nice cheque through your letterbox in 10 years when I’m rich,lol… I’m liking the website mate…Safe
November 20th, 2007 at 4:31 am
one more thing, i don’t think i have ever wanted less pussy since stopping sex although i am aware it does happen!!! i could still fuck anyone (to a certain standard) at anytime of the day no matter what right now trust me i’ve not had it for 6 months,lol… saying that i think my sex drive is in excess to what it is now when i’m seeing someone, which may mean it has actually lowered… can anyone comment on easy ways to find out a girls sex drive??? would love to know how
November 24th, 2007 at 7:41 pm
Great post, man. There really is a difference between the mantra 1 and 2 guys… and, I can say, I’ve honestly tried both mantras. 2 gets bored after you get laid enough times… Pretty soon you find yourself asking: “Now what?” The hope of actually making another person truly *better* is inspiring, and I think the only thing that’s really going to lead to happiness.
Go for mantra 1, guys.
November 26th, 2007 at 7:06 pm
Our success with women definately plays to important a role in our self concept.. but i found out long ago.. that although i knew it was my ego desire… i still had to validate myself by my conquests… years later I’ve mastered women (to the best of my degree) and have finally moved out of that phase..
Have i left them all better than i found them? I hope so.
November 29th, 2007 at 11:57 pm
30+,
I stumbled across this blog and I just wanted to say thanks. You seem like a really intelligent guy with tons of relevant theories about women and social interactions. Just very interesting and thought-provoking.
I’m no pick-up-artist, but like any guy, I’m interested in improving my game with the ladies. I just got done losing a ton of weight (see my blog), and now am focusing more on meeting quality women.
As an obese guy, I feel like I sat on the sidelines of the dating scene for far too long, not realizing that it wasn’t the weight that was holding me back so much as it was my own lack of confidence because of it. Now that I’m fit I’m realizing that just getting in shape and looking good isn’t enough, but that I need to work on my “Inner Game” a bit.
Anyway, thanks for all the good info. Cheers.
-Billy
March 22nd, 2008 at 3:06 am
Great article on an issue I’ve struggled with throughout my time in the game. Your insight into the deep structures of psychology and the game is far and away the best I’ve come across.
I would be interested to hear your thoughts on religion and spirituality in relation to the game. As a Christian I have often wondered if this lifestyle can be reconciled with my fundamental philosophy of how to treat others. Can one be a Christian pick up artist?
March 22nd, 2008 at 3:23 am
Gamble,
That’s probably the best question I’ve seen on this blog in a long time.
As a reformed Calvinist, I have a lot to say about that. Expect a post as soon as I can finish writing it. Which may take me a while.
Thanks for asking.