Social Energy in Seduction
What follows is a pretty esoteric concept, so those looking for hands-on, practical techniques should probably click away.
Nevertheless, after a lot of reflection, I’ve come to believe that understanding and applying the concept below will make a notable improvement in your interactions with women.
Seduction as Energy
This whole concept came to me when I faced the prospect of having over one of my fuck buddies. It had been 6 months since I’d last seen her, and although she is cute, independently wealthy, and has some social status, for some reason I was not looking forward to having her over.
I instantly went into my introspective self-reflective mode, questioning myself and carefully watching my thought process. “What is it about this girl, or this scenario, that is NOT exciting me?” In fact, I had the feeling that having her over again would be sort of a drag.
To unwrap this complex feeling, I was eventually lead down the pathways of my mind that dealt not just with this particular girl, but any girl I seduced.
What I realized was this: when I seduce a girl, I am literally putting energy into her — not just in the sense of the phrase that we usually use, i.e., “I’ve put a lot of energy into this project at works, I hope it get me that promotion,” but in the very most literal sense. Every joke I crack, every time I bust on her mannerisms, every compliment or dig or observation or read of her personality, it’s all designed to pump energy directly into her mental/emotional/physical system.
That is actually the most concrete physical description I can give of the process of seduction: putting energy into a system.
Sometime you’ll hear people describe this energy as “chemistry” or “spark” or “sexual tension” but it is literally energy, and it is what we are working with when we seduce or even interact socially. You’ll see this observed upon by astute people: “Wow, he was a real downer,” or “She always cheers me up” are references to the actual energy changes that these other people cause in us.
This leads us to the Law of Higher Energy: when you enter a group of new people, especially for the first time (as in seduction, when you are targeting a woman in the group), you will be accepted into the group and valued as a friend so long as you add energy to the group. If you are neutral to the group’s energy, or have a negative effect (withdrawing more energy than you contribute) they will jettison you.
There is another energy law, and that is the Law of Greatest Contribution. The person who contributes the greatest amount of energy to a given 1-on-1 interaction is also invariably the person who is convinced they will get the most energy back out of the interaction….in the long term.
A third law might be called Law of Greatest Efficiency: that is, in a social setting, the individual who is able to give out the greatest amount of energy to groups and people around him, while expending the least amount of personal energy, will naturally dominate the social group and suck up attention and attraction from those around them. And this explains all those words we use to describe these people otherwise, when we call them extroverted, charming, or charismatic.
These three laws should start giving you a mental image of people in society as energy conduits, constantly generating, consuming, and re-directing social energy. If you are a poorly-tuned conduit that blocks energy internally, doesn’t re-direct energy well, or requires enormous internal energy to generate social energy to give away, you will be socially “ostracized”. When people scorn someone socially, it’s because that person has either violated social rules (through ineptitude, ignorance, or deliberately) or is simply not up to the social “par” of the energy of the group, and therefore gets left behind in the conversation. There’s no moralizing here; it’s just the mechanics of the interaction’s energy.
So how does this conduit-view of social energy relate to seduction?
I don’t care if you’re hitting a girl with the tightest game in the world, as long as you are gaming her, you are contributing more energy than she is. For you, deploying super-tight game — and, more importantly, putting in all the time socializing necessary to even develop super-tight game — is an energy investment that will pay off in your ability to A) fuck the hottest and most desirable women in the world and B) forget about them the next day, or not, as you choose, on your terms.
Why would you unroll your tightest game against a woman that you did not expect a payoff from? This is why guys practice practice practice and practice some more, hard, on average and above-average women — so they are sharp and prepared to bring their tightest game to the real prizes, the hottest, most intelligent, most socially valuable women that they will run across only once in a great while. They want to be able to choose which women the attract and have relationships with, rather than simply settling for “whatever’s available”.
And ‘whatever’s available’ really comes down, I think, to the women who game guys. I have heard plenty of stories from guys of their past, in which they weren’t suave or seductive at all, and eventually landed in their first relationship because a single girl had seen enough value in them that she basically chased them, gamed them — putting energy into them — to the point that they finally got the hint and hooked up with her. This is certainly how things played out with my first “girlfriend”.
A good deal of what makes sex exciting, I think, is who is getting more out of the exchange. Some people may describe this as “who wants it most” but I think that is an oversimplification predicated on the murkiness of the term ‘want’ that fails to get at the root of desire itself, which is an energy payoff.
I think a lot of “attraction” is caused by this energy dynamic; the energy one party seems to stand by achieving the goal of sex. The greater an obstacle to overcome, and the more outlandish and unlikely that goal, the greater tension will be generated between the two parties.
This is why building false-disqualification into your seductions is so powerful: language like “I could never date you / fuck you” or “You’re like my little sister” go to work immediately creating a powerful energy imbalance, which is what lies behind attraction.
This is also why office romances between subordinates and superiors are so common and hard to resist; people say “Well it’s the power dynamic, power is a natural aphrodisiac” and that’s true because it has to do with dominance, which causes attraction in women for evolutionary and psychological reasons, but the difference in status that signals dominance to the woman could just as easily be called an energy imbalance. It’s ALSO true to say that the strength of the taboo generates immense perceived value for the subordinate, and for the boss alike: both understand what a “coup” it would be in energy terms to overcome the immense static wall of energy that the office policy represents.
This may seem pretty esoteric, but it makes a lot of sense to me to think of it this way. If you’re a neurologist or biochemist, think of action potentials. When the potential is low, there is no discharge of electricity between axons — but once the potential gets high enough, the discharge of energy happens automatically, the energy is transferred, and the action potential returns to normal.
Sex is all about this cycle of build up and release, and creating sexual attraction is merely the process of setting up the action potential so that it can discharge.
In fact, if you want a good relationship to last, that’s the key, right there: the relationship ac needs to not be a static unchanging line (which to many people would represent “stability”), or even a parabola, but instead a series of peaks and valleys, representing the buildup and subsequent dissipation of energy….over and over and over and over and over again.
Real-World Application
Let’s bring it back to this fuck buddy who I’m not excited about.
I actually resent the process of having to pour energy into the interaction and into this girl in order to get her hot and bothered enough to fuck. Even though I know that is what she wants, and it would probably be decent sex, the fact that SHE is not putting her fair share of energy into the interaction irks me.
Think to the reverse. If I were a hot girl, and she was a less-attractive-but-still-valuable guy, would I be in a huge hurry to let her fuck me? Especially if s/he wasn’t very experienced in seduction.
No.
Thinking in these terms unravels the whole ball of wax that my fuck-buddy situation was becoming. A long time ago, she admitted to me that she thought I was “out of her league”. Yet there she was, lying half-naked on my bed.
I didn’t think much of this in the time. In retrospect, it’s a pretty clear case of “settling” — my own perceived value being lower than it actually is.
But, after all this time has passed, I now understand that this girl was absolutely right: I am out of her league, I can get women hotter (and more socially valuable) than her, and she will continue to put up the token resistance to sex in order that my process of pouring in energy to overcome it arouses her enough to fuck (In fact, this process of resisting is probably a subconscious attempt to act in congruence with her value observations. If you don’t believe me on this, try this experiment: go out tonight, find a girl that is definitely less attractive than you, and game her with the same attraction-amplifying stuff you would use on a much hotter girl. Watch how quickly you get blown out).
And therefore, to my mind, overcoming those barriers she’s going to throw up is no longer worth it. The energy payoff at the end is not big enough; therefore the energy required to get to that payoff is no longer justified.
I realize this whole thing makes human relationships sort of sound like a cost-benefit analysis, but in a lots of ways I think that’s exactly how people operate (oftentimes without even realizing it themselves).
So hopefully you’ve gotten something out of reading this. I have gotten a lot out of writing it.
April 2nd, 2007 at 11:40 pm
“This is why building false-disqualification into your seductions is so powerful: language like “I cold never date you / fuck you” or “You’re like my little sister” go to work immediately creating a powerful energy imbalance, which is what lies behind attraction.”
This is in my opinion is pure GOLD!!
Thirtyplus - I am having trouble with k-closing. I am not getting them consisntently. Would appreciate if you can shed some light on it.. ( when I am not sure about the right moment, cues, how to transition to k-close from attraction.. ..)
April 2nd, 2007 at 11:50 pm
I agree with Social Energy is very relevant and at the core of human-interactions. This post takes the note of ‘game theory’ and way induviduals behave in a colony to maximise their chances. Men and women employ very different but complementary strategies in selecting mates. Again, foundation and currency for this strategy is ‘energy expended’. ‘Selfish Genes’ by Richard Dawkins, explains it in lucid and thought provoking detail. I highly recommend the book if you want to get an evolutionary perspective on this.
April 25th, 2007 at 12:05 pm
Interesting.. so the guys who always let women approach them, and therefore usually date women less attractive than they… what is their goal?
April 25th, 2007 at 5:37 pm
BongoZanek:
Pain avoidance.
A lot of them will rationalize it as “I’m too busy” or “I’m not desperate enough to hit on girls” or “I just haven’t found the right girl yet” (as though they can instantly judge all the women in the room without meeting them first), but it’s really just avoiding the challenge and potential pain of rejection and social embarrassment.
It’s amazing how many people in this world are simply reactive, i.e. spend all their time trying to move away from things that could cause them pain.
May 1st, 2007 at 4:28 pm
Thank you for such a deep, thoughtful and erudite article on seduction. I’ve been reading a lot on the subject and while most of the information is enlightening, it is a pain to read. Many of the authors do not understand the spiritual and psychological value of the concepts they’re analyzing. This article is one of the first i’ve read to do just that. Thanks and I look forward to more.
June 19th, 2007 at 4:34 am
Well Done, Great site and great posts!!!
December 6th, 2007 at 1:09 am
interesting, with this I can finally adequately communicate something I’ve been feeling for a very long time.
most of my issues stem around the fact that it feels like I have to expend a tremendous amount of energy to cold approach and engage with strangers.
This is a major block for me because the entry fee is so high that the net result is almost always a deficit on my end. When others around me are already warmed up and open, I’m able to do so much better, even more so if somebody is conveying interest. Consequently, I tend to only engage in an unsatisfyingly small portion of potential social situations depending on my mood. What can I do to get over this more quickly?
December 6th, 2007 at 4:45 am
Ara,
Before you read my answer, ask yourself: why does it take so much energy for you to approach strangers?
Is the underlying cause anxiety or resistance to approaching? because if so, that could easily manifest itself as feeling like a big energy requirement.
Just think about it.
Now on to the answer to your question — or, my answer: my natural inclination is to say you may be an introvert, I.e. get your energy from being alone. If that’s the case, it may be that you may not naturally have a lot of energy to give away in social interactions, unless others are actively soliciting it from you and giving you a lot to get you “jump-started”.
In that case, think about “recharging” yourself fully before going out: meditate, or read, or spend some time doing something creative by yourself, or whatever it takes.
My two cents. Not sure if that will help but it’s some thoughts I have.
December 6th, 2007 at 6:38 pm
you’re right, there is definitely an underlying anxiety there, when I approach a public socializing venue I can literally feel it inside me. My body wants to turn itself around and walk in the other direction. For most of my life I was extremely, deliberately introverted, and it’s only within the past several years that i’ve decided I don’t want to live that way anymore.
The funny part is that if i’m within a group of sufficient familiarity, I’m usually the most alpha person there, and I can be impressively charming and attractive and I don’t even have to think about it. Without even being cognizant of it at the time, on several occasions I’ve quite nearly attracted a girl away from her date/boyfriend without having the tools/knowledge to take it a step further.
So i’m in a transitional phase right now- years and years of building up walls around me, I’m starting to chip away at them with glacier-like progress, and it’s supremely frustrating at times. Part of this comes fom my impatience, I can see through to the other side and intellectually I know I have that potential, emotionally I’m being pulled back and forth between the old introvert frame and new extrovert frame.
It is what it is and i’m going to muddle through this somehow, but at the same time I want to make use of all the tools I can find, because I’m going to need them. So any insight you or anyone else on here may have will be helpful =]
There’s definitely something there with your comment about recharging- usually when I do go out, it’s at the end of my day, and I do find that I don’t have as much energy as I want to have. I’ll try that and see what happens.
February 3rd, 2008 at 10:37 pm
I enjoy most of your articles. You are very insightful.