What to Do if your Girlfriend Likes Another Guy
Most women have very distinct patterns that they go through in relationships.
For instance, if things are going south with their current boyfriend, they have a couple of options: some girls start going out more frequently in order to meet more boys that could potentially “replace” their current b/f: others just change their body language and vibe to become more “open” to the guys that are already flocking around them (true for more high-status, high-profile hot women).
If a woman really values the relationship, she will try to “improve” things by talking to her boy, asking what’s wrong, bitching and starting arguments more frequently, and generally trying to arrest the long, slow slide of the relationship.
Most women want to be in relationships and will do everything in their power to save a “good” relationship — especially if they feel they’ve found a “keeper” guy (a good provider, and they happen to feel ready to settle down) or a guy who is alpha enough and smart enough to be consistently inconsistent, and keep a girl on her toes (which gets lots of girls addicted to the relationships).
What they do in order to try to prolong the relationship differs, however.
Some girls will actually start telling you about the guy they may sleep with. They may not literally say, “So there’s this guy I am thinking of sleeping with,” but they will subcommunicate that, in case you’re paying attention. It’s actually quite easy to pick up on.
A lot of chick-advice web sites have features on “How to tell if your man is cheating” or “10 signs he’s checked out” and what have you. This article is going to sound extremely similar to those features (although less superficial) because men and women BOTH do similar things when dissatisfied or afraid in relationships, and typically will make it VERY CLEAR what they’re doing (though often in a subtle way).
For a girl or a guy, any major change is a warning sign. Chicks love saying shit like, “Watch out if he starts bringing you flowers, or dressing better or showering more”. And that stuff has some validity. For guys watching their girlfriends, I would say, Watch out for any major change in her patterns of socialization. Sexual encounters with girls always start at the pure “socialization” level, where they think “Oh he seems fun” and start hanging out with a guy more — and then he gets them alone, and that’s how things happen.
So if your girlfriend starts talking about this cool guy she’s hanging out with, watch out. But don’t imagine that she’ll admit to anything — in fact, she will go to great lengths to say “he’s just a friend” or “I would never sleep with him” and will frequently even GET MAD AT YOU for asking or suggesting otherwise — because you are calling into question her loyalty, for one, and calling her easy, for another. Oftentimes it literally DOES NOT OCCUR to her rational mind that she might end up sleeping with this guy - for many girls it’s a straight case of cognitive dissonance.
So girls respond to relationship threats in one of two basic ways; she will start doing things that either
A) Attempt to pull you back in and “fix” the problems or slow the decline directly;
OR
B) Go out on her own limb looking for revalidation with another guy and/or a challenge to make you jealous (and thereby pull you back in, indirectly).
My experience is that with a non-trivial portion of women, cheating happens because she senses her boy is drifting away, and is trying to pull him back in with B.
Another non-trivial portion, maybe the majority, of cheating happens randomly when women meet guys that attract them and hit all the right switches, and things just happen that the girl will rationalize away later (she might even come tearfully to you begging for forgiveness).
But this post isn’t about cheating per se (see Why Women Cheat for that); it’s about women responding to relationship threats or just naturally developing feelings for other guys (i.e., not you).
When this happens there are a couple ways to deal with it; depending on your own feelings about the relationship.
IF you want the girl to stay with you and be loyal, you’d better act quickly, decisively and with finality. You’ve got to stomp that shit out once and for all and re-wire the relational dynamic so it’s not a threat ever again; otherwise, the constant maintenance will drain all your energy and make the relationship a pain in your ass.
IF you want the girl to stay but don’t care about her loyalty, you will have a much easier time, but must still proceed carefully — and the results you will get depend in large part on what the girl wants (whether she wants monogamy with you or no).
IF you don’t even care about the girl and the relationship, you should probably just dump the poor bitch.
In fact, we will only deal with the first possibility in this post, since there is simply too much to say about the other two. They will get their own subsequent articles.
Keeping your Girlfriend while Stamping Out the Competition
If your girlfriend is “drifting” or showing signs of doing so, and you don’t want her to do that, then something is seriously wrong, buddy - and it is YOUR job to figure out what, and fix it quick.
There are a couple of possibilities:
- Is your girlfriend just the wandering type? Some women seek lots of sex with different partners for validation. Some women are afraid of commitment. If your girl is one of these types, and you haven’t channeled her predilections into a wild sex life, you have an uphill battle.
- Have you changed how you treat your girlfriend lately? Are you getting bored of her, or sick of the relationship? Is the sex boring? Is she getting it less frequently? Are you kissing and cuddling her less, doing fewer PDA (public affection), hand-holding, etc? Did you used to spend money on her but are no longer doing it? All of these would be subcommunications from you that the relationship is trending towards death, and could easily inspire her to start “searching”.
I’m going to differentiate between potential cheating that is caused by something inside the relationship (”internal push“) and potential cheating that is caused by the sheer attractiveness of some other guy or situation on the outside of the relationship (”external pull“).
Internal Push
It’s easiest to troubleshoot your own behavior towards your girlfriend. If it’s your behavior that is causing it, it will be much easier to fix.
Maybe you just need to start trying out more outlandish / experimental things in the bedroom; at a very basic level, for the relationship to be satisfying you need to be providing the basics of good sex. Maybe you need to start seeing her less (because you are “getting busy with work” or what have you), or seeing her more. Maybe you just need a vacation! It’s extremely easy in long-term relationships to get stuck in “ruts” and routines of what you do with your girlfriend. Meet up, go out to dinner, watch a movie, fuck afterwards, fall asleep, wake up, go out to breakfast, do some shopping, go watch another movie, fuck again. If you’ve had any sort of LTRs these patterns should look pretty familiar to you.
Sometimes, your boredom with a woman in a relationship can be alleviated by having her take a more active role in things. Maybe she needs to start dressing differently, cut (or grow out) her hair, experiment with body modification or accessories. Never underestimate the power of a physical appearance change in getting you interested in your girlfriend again.
Insta Date: If you haven’t already done this, I recommend every guy take his girlfriend to a costume-shop or specialty-lingerie shop (you know, the kind that has “themed” outfits, exotic jewelry and accessories, crazy stage makeup and the like). While there have her try on a wig (and some costumes if you can persuade her). Oftentimes it is amazing how badly you will want to sex her just after seeing her in a wig; you are in effect fooling you masculine mid brain into thinking this is a “new” woman.
In fact, a lot of the dress-up and role-playing that I believe most long-term couples get into serves this function; keeping the woman fresh in the man’s animal mind. Additionally, the whole setup plays into every woman’s regressive desire to play “dress up” or “princess”.
So that’s the very first step: mix things up. Try new and different activities, take her to new and exotic locations, get her to change somethings about herself (even temporarily). Do whatever is necessary to inject novelty into the relationship. For a list of suggestions, see my post Fighting Boredom in Relationships. Oftentimes, the effort of going through this will be enough to demonstrate to her how much you care, and she’ll stop dropping hints about other guys (and stop seeing them, too).
That is assuming, of course, that the problem is lack of customary attention from you in the first place.
If your girlfriend is legitimately interested in another guy because of value he has (rather than value you are not providing) then your path is going to be much harder.
External Pull
In this scenario, the first move I would make is move closer. If she starts talking about another guy, get interested. Engage in the conversation. Ask intelligent and intimate questions.
(If she never mentions any guys, but you suspect anyway, don’t get all psycho jealous — instead, follow the advice above, but with regards to her social life. Invite yourself to parties she’s going to and ask to be introduced to her friends. Be nosy. If she shows significant resistance to your new interest in her, she’s probably already fucking some guy, and you can be fairly confident confronting her about it).
Next, ask to meet with the guy. Not alone; that sets up a dog-versus-dog dynamic. You want to meet him in a social setting, like a party, or at the very least, with her present (although even that is not ideal, since it reinforces a competition mindset to everyone involved).
You want to meet the guy in a social setting, evaluate him, see how he handles socialization with a variety of people, and most importantly, how he reacts to you and how he interacts with your girlfriend.
Most Important: You have to go into this meet with an open mind and no pre-judgments. If you go into it angry, anxious, and incensed at the idea of some douche-bag trying to run up on YOUR GIRLFRIEND, the table is set for drama. (Although if you have those feelings, even initially, it is a strong sign that you like your girl and want to keep her around, and monogamous, for the longer term).
So: be open-minded, calm, and evaluative. You are just going to socialize and evaluate. You do NOT want to get into the “I’m gonna fuckin’ beat the shit out of this guy” mindset, EVEN if your first emotional response is along those lines. You want to AVOID a cock fight set up by your girlfriend. I have been in such cock-fights, and believe me, it is not pretty (or fun), even if you “win”.
Not only are they not fun, but they hand all the power over to your girlfriend, and reduce you and the other guy to “pawns” fighting over her affections. Which is just absurd, as you will recognize if you’ve spent any time reading this site.
Meeting a Guy Your Girlfriend Likes
You have to understand: this guy may have been set-up by your girlfriend. She might be tooling him to use as a jealousy plot against you (mentioned above) or just as a distress call for your relationship (which she wants to save). The guy may not even be aware this girl has a boyfriend. He may have approached her (or BEEN approached by her) in good faith, and be completely in the dark to the psychodynamics of your relationship.
In fact, I guarantee he is, and you’d better act on the assumption he is, unless you want the situation to get very dramatic and very ugly very fast.
Remember the Cardinal Rule: bros before hos. Let me say that again: BROS (men) before HOS (women).
As men in modern society, we owe a much greater debt to each other than the generally less-loyal women we get in relationships with; because we know we can rely on each other when we could not rely on a woman. Also, fighting other guys over women is one of the great pitfalls of modern society, and a direct cause of a hell of a lot of suffering, pain and malaise (for both men and women).
So meet the guy. Shake his hand. Look him in the eye. Ask him how’s it going. Treat him with the respect you’d offer any random guy you’d been introduced to; he is innocent, and deserves to be afforded the benefit of the doubt until he proves his douche-baggery.
In fact, you and he already have something important in common - taste in women (since he has probably enjoyed hanging around your girlfriend and is possibly attracted to her). And if the situation were reversed, you’d want a fair shake, wouldn’t you? So give him one.
The goal of this meet and interaction is to ascertain whether this guy is a talentless skeeze who just wants to pump and dump your girlfriend, and therefore needs to be blown out, or a genuine guy who was just sucked into a drama vortex that has nothing to do with him, but everything to do with your relationship.
You will be better able to ascertain this than your girlfriend, since she doesn’t have the insight into the male mind that you do. Note: this is also why a decent father will insist on meeting his daughter’s boyfriends.
It shouldn’t take long. Some guys are slick, others are good at manipulating those around them, but unless you’re completely and totally retarded in social terms, you will be able to judge the guy pretty accurately. Manipulative guys that are TRULY adept at shaping perceptions, to the point that they could pull the wool over your eyes, are rare; it’s much more likely that you’re facing an average guy (though perhaps a bit of a douchebag or buffoon).
Key things to look for: is he respectful of you, does he look you in the eye and acknowledge what you have to say, does he listen well? Does he understand the nature of your relationship with your girlfriend? If not, you need to make it clear, in no uncertain terms, and then carefully watch his reaction. Even if your girlfriend told YOU that she told him, don’t take her word for it in this matter: she may not have gotten the point across 100%.
A quality guy — a cool guy that you would probably hang with, if the circumstances were different — will politely step back if/when he finds out that there is an existing monogamous relationship that he threatens to interrupt; particularly when faced with the “other guy” right there, large as life. That’s the chivalrous thing to do — most guys that I’ve ever met have at least that level of modesty and decency (and aversion to confrontation).
Unless he thinks he is cooler than you.
If a guy who wants your girlfriend perceives that you are lower on the social value ladder than he is — he may not let the issue go so easily.
Of course, if he is truly higher on the SV ladder than you, it begs the question of why he also needs your girlfriend, who — if you and her are roughly matched in terms of social value — ought to be beneath his social level anyway, further begging the question of why he’s poaching *down* the ladder (rather than up it, or at parity).
In any case, if the guy will not back down, and instead seems to be spoiling for an all-out war for your girlfriend’s affections, he is either
A) A tumbling, tumbling dickweed,
Or,
B) A hardcore player.
In the second case, you shouldn’t worry about it, because he’s probably already fucked your girlfriend anyway.
In the first case, you are probably in for a bit of a battle. The tactics and strategies to use in this battle are better left to more thorough explanation in another post. It’s enough to say that such a battle will require balls, consistency, and good timing.
For now, let’s assume the guy is a decent guy, and backs down. In the best case, he even befriends you and permanently stays out of your relationship — though watch out for guys who might befriend you because they’ve already fucked your girlfriend (does happen) or guys who befriend because they think it will give them a better shot at breaking up your relationship and getting your girl.
If the guy is cool, and just walks away entirely from the idea of ever being with your g/f, all the better. Those guys are rare, though — most guys will waffle somewhere between wanting to avoid direct confrontation and totally giving up; they will harbor secret hopes, but behave in a totally socially-acceptable and make-nice fashion in the short term in order to improve their “odds”.
In either case, if the guy backs down even for the short-term, whatever his long-term goals, several wonderful things result from this:
- Your relative value in your girlfriend’s eyes has gone up
- Your relationship has been strengthened
- You have avoided a protracted cock fight
Now, everything is peaches and cream.
Congratulations, you have handled a sticky situation without getting involved in a ridiculous and unproductive male pissing-match, and at the same time cementing your girlfriend’s attraction to you.
But more work remains to be done. Having successfully confronted your competition, you must now return your attention to your girlfriend, and say to her, while using gentle language, but in otherwise uncertain terms, “DON’T YOU EVER DO THAT AGAIN.”
But that, my friends, is a subject that deserves it’s own article — this one is already over-long. Hopefully its helpfulness is commensurate with its length. If so, consider dropping me a link from your own blog, or sharing this article on a favorite forum.
In the meantime: confront your girlfriend’s male friends with courage!
January 31st, 2007 at 9:12 am
my god man! you have made so very much clear. thank you for your thoughts and advice.
i am currently in a relationship of 3-4 months with an attractive “hot girl” so-to-speak. i was a little frustrated after sex with her. she was able to climax and wanted me to do so at the same time. this is a little tough to achieve sometimes but we have been able to do that a few times together. anyway, i proceeded to finish on my own with her watching me. she told me how hot it was for her to watch me “get myself off”. i asked her why she was so turned on by watching me. she replied with… “i think your hot, watching you gets me really turned on” however right after that she began to talk about how watching others turns her on and how she would REALLY GET TURNED ON if another guy was in the room watching her and i go at it while getting off by himself.
i lost concentration on what i was doing and got completely turned off by what she said. out of quick response, i said, well i would get turned on by having another girl in the room watching. so this let to her defending herself and her sexual preference to match mine. so we both were frustrated, me more so than her i think, and began to get our clothes back on. she went home and im up late looking for answers. its not that i ever asked her for a 3some before or even asked her to have another girl watch us. we are both pretty open sexually. we have fun and are usually very diverse, adventuresome, and promiscuous with each other, ie… toys, role playing, watching porn, high risk areas for our fun.
she is 22 and im 29. i really care for this girl and know these kinda girls don’t come around too often.
i guess i took offense to her hinting at the fact of us inviting another guy in for her pleasure. am i being selfish? because i care for this girl maybe im offended. i could see it hapening with a chic i didn’t care about. i have been in 3some and 4some situations before. so here are my questions:
does this mean she is drifting or potential to cheat?
am i being selfish?
don’t most relationships fail due to inviting others into the bedroom?
and how about me just being plane ole creeped out with some dude workin on his tool watching us?
any advice from you is most appreciated good sir.
January 31st, 2007 at 7:21 pm
First off, good job jacking off on her, that’s a pretty deep fantasy that most women won’t admit to….she is pretty sexually open.
HER FANTASY ABOUT ANOTHER GUY WATCHING: most likely *just* sexual. IOW she’s not drifting…..she just TRUSTS you enough to open up about her deeper sexual fantasies. Why would she drift, given the great sex you are giving her?
ARE YOU BEING SELFISH?: Not really selfish…..I’d say “skittish”. It’s time to have the “threesomes” conversation with her: I’ve written a couple posts that should give you good background (if you haven’t already):
http://realitymethod.com/2007/01/the-bisexual-girlfriend-initiating-threesomes/
and
http://realitymethod.com/2007/01/the-elusive-threesome-and-the-many-ways-to-get-it/
IS THE RELATIONSHIP GOING TO FALL APART AFTER A 3SOME?: I would say NO, not if you play your cards right. Since you guys have built a good relationship on “good sex” and have a good kinky relationship anyway, I think your best bet is actually to integrate her own fantasies (and yours) in a reasonable way….if you do it right, you will actually STRENGTHEN the relationship.
If you DON’T, chances are better she’s start feeling unfulfilled sexually and go looking for another guy that *will* do those things with her that you won’t. But even that is less than certain.
There are a couple of “Fall-Apart” factors that are responsible for ending relationships as a result of 3somes, and they have mostly to do with how committed and emotionally attached the girl is to the guy. It sounds like your relationship is young and wild enough that it won’t be an issue here.
Also, if she’s suggesting another guy, she’s probably already had 3some/4some experience (even if accidentally). It’s clear she wants it :)
BEING CREEPED OUT BY ANOTHER GUY IN THE ROOM: What I’d suggest for this is actually to find a good buddy who you would be comfortable with joining you. NOTE: this has a strong possibility of backfiring, as the guy might lose respect for you if you bring him in to double-team your “girlfriend” with you….and your girl might happen to get a little attached to him in the process (leading to “cheating” potential), especially if you don’t set good boundaries beforehand.
It really depends on how you view this girl. Is she “The One” or really “special” to you? Is she going to be your Queen (or is she already?) Do you *cherish* her? Because if so, your buddies need to stay away. Find a random guy off the internet that’s not too creepy (meet him for coffee beforehand) and make the boundaries clear in no uncertain terms. Maybe even set it up in a pseudo-public place where some guy can watch (voyeur style) without even being near you guys and then dial it up from there.
On the other hand, if you view this girl as just a pretty piece of froth, probably a lot less complications bringing in a good buddy.
Hope some of that helps in some way.
In any case, congrats on your catch :) And as a general piece of advice, if you can continue giving her good sex, she will follow wherever you lead her.
January 31st, 2007 at 10:02 pm
well you have given me plenty to think about. thank you for your very quick reply. i will discuss more with her on these things. she is special to me and i have never had a 3/some 4/some situation with a woman that i cared about. so im a little hesitant. like you said… integrating both of our fantasies i think is a well played card. and if done right could be very fun.
thank you thirtyplus… or should i say “brother of men” :)
March 25th, 2007 at 12:46 pm
i want to do something kind to her so she loves me more than she loves me now
April 9th, 2007 at 5:08 pm
My girlfriend of 8 months has lately been hanging out with this other guy nonstop. He is taking her to his fraternity formals for a weekend at the beach. At first when she asked I said she could go because she told me she just wanted to party with her roomates who are also going and she said she would share a bed with one of her roomates. But the other day she tld me the rooming situations got messed up and she now has to share a bed with him. I told her that I didnt want her going if she was gonna sleep in the same bed with him and she said she cant back out that its rude and that she would sleep on the floor. He has been in her social cirlce for a long time and she swears they are just friends. He has asked her to dinner with her roomate and one of his friends as in order to help his friend break the ice with her roomate. He payed for her dinner but she says it wasnt a double date just a group of friends. She spends all her freetime partying with her friends who in turn party with his fraternity so he is always around. She doesnt see the problem with going to eat and spending a weekend with a group of people at formals since she swears they are just friends and she thinks friends do that. Am I wrong in thinking she will leave me for him? She keeps telling me I need to let her do her own thing and cant get mad at her for hanging out with friends. Any advice on how to handle the situation would be great. Thanks
April 11th, 2007 at 8:42 am
ncheel, soon enough, she will dump you and you’ll realize that you’ve wasted your time trying to make something that isn’t working, to actually work. She’s hanging out with this guy a lot, without you, how can you tell what she’s doing or if she’s really doing what she says she does when there’s no one there to see the real truth between her and her lies? maybe one day, even if you don’t feel like hnaging out with her douche bag friend, you should ask her and see if she would consider tagging you along whenever she goes on another escapade with this idiot just so that you can meet her so called “close friend-bestfriend-Iswear we’re just friends.” If she says no or denies you, it is because she doesn’t want you around and she wants to spend quality time with him. If she says Yes, then maybe it’s worth considering and maybe, you need to work on both of your relationship and yourself. If you really love this girl, you will let her know about your concerns and if she loves you, she will do everything in the best of her ability to make your relationship work, even if it means she’d see the guy friend less or you all can hangout together so you can get to know him because her friends are your friends and your friends are her friends and you’ve got nothing to hide. If nothing works at all and she doesn’t want to work with you and she want to be stubborn, then try to move on and dump her before she dumps you and hopefully, she’ll realize what she’s done to you and beg you to comeback but it would be too late because she’s just plain selfish.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:25 pm
This is a reply to ncheel.
I actually think you are wrong about her intending to leave you. She intends to keep you around as her emotional receptacle / safety net as long as she can.
Read 30+’s article about how to cut it off proper-style, and you’ll be much happier. College is not the time for monogamy anyway.
G’luck